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New State Law Allows Concealed Weapons in Restaurants

Restaurant and bar-goers in the Old Dominion will soon be packing more than their hunger.

Following years of opposition, gun groups scored a victory this year when the General Assembly passed a law allowing people with concealed weapons permits issued in Virginia  and 27 other states to carry their guns into restaurants.

But they will not be allowed to drink alcohol at a restaurant. Under state law, a violation is a Class 2 misdemeanor, punishable by up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

“It doesn’t make a lot of sense that people could openly carry a firearm in a restaurant, but a concealed carry permit holder who had been through training and an extensive background check wasn’t allowed to carry a firearm into a restaurant,” said David Adams of the Virginia Shooting Sports Association, the National Rifle Association state association for Virginia.

Virginia joins 21 states with similar gun laws on the books. Adams said the laws have not led to additional violence or problems in the other states.

“I don’t think people will notice any change in behavior of people in restaurants,” he said.

A spokesman for a gun rights group agreed.

“Laws are for the good people, and set boundaries. A criminal will illegally carry a concealed weapon no matter what,” said Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League.

But opponents of the law fire back that it will increase violence.

“It will create a more dangerous environment,” said Lori Haas of the Virginia Center for Public Safety, an advocate for reduced gun violence. She said that just because someone is approved for a concealed handgun permit does not mean they will not commit a crime in the future.

“The brutality of a confrontation is raised when a firearm is involved,” Haas said.

Haas is concerned that the law allows people who have a concealed handgun permit from other states to carry concealed firearms in restaurants. “Virginia has reciprocity with 22 other states, but [with the concealed firearm carriers from other states] we don’t know their background, training or ability.”

Gun laws continue to be a divisive issue for Virginians. The backlash of the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings has many advocating for tighter regulations, but many contend that law-abiding citizens carrying guns actually make the streets safer. The debate has spilled into vehicles, the mail, and restaurants, with each side battling for each foot of ground.

Recently, fears over President Barack Obama’s tighter gun control agenda prompted gun rights advocates to push for loosening of gun laws.

“It’s been a concern, and it caused a big gun rush the year after he was elected,” said Van Cleave. “But so far he hasn’t done anything affecting gun rights.”

This bill circulated in the Virginia General Assembly for several years. The House of Delegates and Senate had previously passed a similar bill on two separate occasions. But former Gov. Tim Kaine vetoed the bill both times.

In April Gov. Bob McDonnell signed the bill into law.

The other gun-carrying law that will go into effect in July allows people who legally own a firearm to store it in a car or vessel as long as the gun is secured in a container or compartment.

Adams said this will allow people without a concealed firearm permit to still carry a gun in their vehicle as long as it is secured. This means legal gun owners can keep a gun secured in their glove compartment.

He said it would not be a major change in the way guns are carried or handled and that it would make it more convenient for law-abiding gun carriers.

But Haas said the law raises concerns for law enforcement officers’ safety. “Now every traffic stop has an added number of persons who may have a weapon in their car,” said Haas.

Finally, a new law allows Virginians who have previously been issued a concealed handgun permit to apply for a renewal of the permit through the mail.

The permit renewal law is a small nuance in the concealed permit laws, but it still had both sides arguing over how accessible guns should be to Virginians.

Adams said the process makes sense because those reapplying already had to pass a background check.

But an anti-gun activist disagreed.

“It’s one more opportunity for a non-face-to-face interaction in the process,” said Andrew Goddard, president of the Richmond Million Mom March against Gun Violence.

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0 #28 Guest 2010-07-12 13:11
I enjoy firing my weapon at a firing range, and enjoy my beer. BUT, beer and a weapon doesn't mix. The new law states that if a person has a weapon that no alcohol will be served. DUH ! how will the bar people know !?a
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+1 #27 Guest 2010-07-06 18:54
if a crazy person walks into a Fridays and want to kill his exgirlfriend and everyone else the police wont get there in time to help you and your loved ones. But if a chp (concealed handgun permit) holder was their with his family he maybe able to stop the person and save some or all the lives of the people in the restaurant.

Again I realize fear of guns. But the fear is from people being able to kill people easily without being stopped. An armed sane person will save the lives from a shooter. I wish they were more armed citizens around the horrific shootings in our past.

If I am not around to save my family during a shooting or attack at a restaurant or anywhere else, I hope someone else is.
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+2 #26 Guest 2010-07-06 18:53
Some of you people are afraid of guns and I do understand. Guns can kill people but its not the gun that does it its the person using it. A knife a car a stick a baseball bat you name it can be a weapon. I am a licensed VA state instructor and I am exlaw enforcement my training is threw the roof yes not the same as the average guy I will admit but..... I know I and others carry in restaurants all the time that the people who carry legally or out of self protection or the thought of protecting others are not the same as you may think. They are professionals, doctors school teachers, government employee's & contractors and employees, fathers, mothers, business owners, salesmen, you name it. Why do they have to be crazy people that will start shooting at the drop of a hat? Or will accidentally shoot someone nearby. We carry around you everyday at the stores in parking lots in malls you name it. I am at chuck e cheese or mc Donald’s around your kids. Sometimes im protecting VIPs kids and some time just my children & myself. This law makes sense if you look at it. I can carry most places now and can not drink as outlined in the law and permit or I will lose my permit. If I go into a restaurant that serves alcohol I should be able to carry as long as I don’t drink as the law states. If I drink I lose my permit. I have been many places with my friend’s party’s houses you name it and I refuse to drink. I believe this the case for most permit holders. Now these same people currently leave their gun in the car where they could go back too drunk and start shooting up the place (your fears) but they don’t. Here the import part they can’t drink if they carry inside. Because currently they can leave the gun in the car get wasted inside and go out and have the gun in the car. Umm id rather they didn’t drink.

Guns are around you everyday most don’t know and if you are afraid of guns and if you villainize them its an injustice to our rights freedoms and past. I lived in California during the last LA riots. And the police would come to help you. You had to protect yourself. The only business not broken into were the ones with a show of force of armed people around. People were being robbed and attacked and homes being broken into.This was a crazy time but its just another form of disaster that could occur at anytime for any reason.police response time in an emergency like a robbery or attack is not good enough to save your life most of the time. If people (the trained background checked knowledgeable person chp holder) are around this may and will save lives. I am sorry to say Virginia Tec may have ended allot soon if the same students that carry off campus (around your kids at mc Donald’s and burger king) were allowed to carry on campus...

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-2 #25 Guest 2010-07-05 10:35
actually samantha what you missed is that guns have been legal to carry in these establishments for quite a while now and in fact have been carried regularly in these establishments without an increase in your projected blood in the streets by drunken yahoos, thus proving that your paranoia is misplaced....th e fact is crime can and does happen anywhere and at anytime and if you choose to rely on the police to protect you in your time of most desparate need when seconds count, then by all means that is your right and more power to you...i could care less, to each his own....that's what makes this country great....freedo m to choose...i choose to protect myself and have the constitutional right to do so...that's not paranoia, that's a god given constitutional right in this country and if you don't like it, that's your problem and your right to not like it... i don't go around distrusting everyone and worried about what may or may not occur because i am confident in my rights and abilities and i have no control over when a criminal may or may not act anyway....the only control i have is the ability to react, retreat, find safety and as a last resort defend if required if all other avenues of avoidance have been exhausted...tha t's not paranoia, that's reality...paran oia is constantly being worried about people like me, law abiding citizens rather than criminals who will break the law anyway, and deciding you will stay home and eat takeout because of your unfounded fear and worry...(discla imer: nothing here was written in anger or with a temper)
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-2 #24 Guest 2010-07-05 10:08
apparently samantha and opinion are soothsayers able to foresee the future of death and destruction by yahoos and also determine that i have a temper and most likely i suppose a yahoo...in the words of charlie brown 'GOOD GRIEF!' and 'don't you recognize sarcasm when you see it!'...nothing i wrote even remotely projects anger, temper or otherwise, only that the one's screaming the loudest are in fact the paranoid ones and once again projecting their own misplaced fears on those law abiding citizens out there...if i was angry or had a temper i probably would have TYPED IN ALL CAPS and CURSED ALOT and CALLED PEOPLE NAMES (that's sarcasm once again for those who didn't recognize it)...at any rate i suppose enjoy your homecooked meals and takeout...actua lly you might need to worry about that too, people legally carry guns in supermarkets and in their cars while ordering takeout...i mean heaven forbid the grocery store bag someones stuff in plastic when they asked for paper and if that takeout person forgets the ketchup for someones fries just one more time (yep that's more sarcasm)
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+2 #23 Guest 2010-07-04 11:41
Patrick Smith says, "There are many instances where a crazy person came into a restaurant and shot up the place killing many people." Where have I been? I must have missed all of these "many instances" of mass murder in restaurants. Maybe I'm not watching the paranoia news channel that Smith must be watching. I'm surprised he doesn't reference Big Foot sitings and invasions from Mars as other needs for guns.
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-3 #22 Guest 2010-07-04 09:25
The fantasy of the people who oppose guns is always the same - If nobody had guns than nobody would be killed. This simply ignores the fact the guns are not the only weapons and that guns actually prevent crime and the loss of life. There is no perfect world.
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+4 #21 Guest 2010-07-03 16:01
the point is that despite what Bob White claims about being a responsible gun owner, not everyone is: the Virginia Tech murders speaks loudly to that.

And yes, if any one of the victims had a gun, fewer people would be dead. And if NONE of them had a gun, NO ONE would be dead. Which sounds like a better scenario?
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+2 #20 Guest 2010-07-03 14:52
"I don’t think people will notice any change in behavior of people in restaurants,” he (Adams) said.

A spokesman for a gun rights group agreed."

Well, you might find the behavior the same, but fewer patrons of restaurants allowing concealed weapons will be there.
That means that eventually only gun toting patrons will patronize those restaurants. I don't care to sit among any of them! :cry:
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-2 #19 Guest 2010-07-03 14:48
Law enforcement can't be everywhere. There are many instances where a crazy person came into a restaurant and shot up the place killing many people. If you are a repsonsible person and have qualified for a CCW you should be allowed to carry in a restaurant. I am glad Virginia has such a law. Now we can feel safer in an eatery knwoing taht if some tries to kill another, I can protect myself as well as protect others.Quoting RAF:
The only ones that should be allowed to carry a gun into restaurants are law enforcement personnel. Why is it necessary to have a Robert Blake situation as it was in Hollywood occur because someone is upset or angry at another and now it is legal to pull out your gun and blow their brains out? Let me ask this! If you carried your gun in to a restaurant and you had children with you and the gun discharged accidentally and hit or killed one of your children, could you live with that? NO GUNS IN RESTAURANTS!!!!!
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