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College, City Relations On to Another New YearBy Barrett Mohrmann, of the W&M Flat Hat Tuesday, September 07, 2010 The City of Williamsburg’s Neighborhood Relations Committee held its inaugural community forum last week at the Williamsburg Community Center. Founded in 2009, the goal of the NRC is to improve town-gown relations between the city and the College of William and Mary. Mayor Clyde Haulman and College President Taylor Reveley delivered opening remarks at Monday’s meeting.“The city will do all in its power to see that this partnership succeeds and prospers,” Haulman said. A standing-room-only crowd of residents attended the forum, which focused on the College’s future role in the community. “[The turnout is] testament to the level of community involvement,” Haulman said. Since its creation in 2009, the NRC has worked to avoid repeating past problems experienced between Williamsburg residents and College students. “We’ve been meeting every month since spring,” Carolyn Murphy, a city representative on the NRC, said. Several of the attendees to Monday’s forum spoke on community concerns, including late-night noise, litter and parking issues. Reveley directed the blame not at students, but at unconcerned property owners within the community. “There are five players in this game,” Reveley said. “The hardest group to reach will be the landlords who don’t care.” The other groups on which Reveley focused included the College, the city, neighbors and students. However, Reveley said that landlords appeared to be at the heart of the community’s housing issue. In the spring, the three-person rule, a housing ordinance that limits three unrelated persons to sharing a property, was increased to allow a fourth person in certain cases. Conditions for a fourth person include space of at least 2,000-square feet, parking room for four and submission to occasional city inspections. Since the ordinance’s change, only six properties have received approval. Reveley said that he hoped the committee would resolve many of these issues. “This is a vehicle we need to breathe life into,” he said. “It can be a powerful tool.” Haulman also said that the committee could be used to mend relations between students, Williamsburg residents and the College’s administration. “We are on the right track, and both the city and College are committed to this in the future,” Haulman said. The committee developed out of the city’s earlier focus group on the three-person rule. Its members currently include landlord representative Al Albert, College representative Chon Glover, student representative Emily Gottschalk-Marconi ’12, Murphy as a city representative and neighborhood representative Bill Talley. Some Williamsburg residents voiced frustration at the meeting, particularly at parking problems created by the College and students. Several attendees complained that students were parking on neighborhood streets without receiving stickers from the city. Reveley was unable to offer a concrete solution for these issues. “We have a parking problem, and there’s no easy answer to it,” Reveley said. “The answer to parking is to say students can’t have cars. I’m not sure I want to take that on.” Another common complaint Monday evening was students’ use of alcohol off campus. Although Reveley did not present a solution to this problem, he did comment on the national drinking age. “It’s nonsense,” Reveley said. “[Students are] old enough to fight and die for their country, [but] they’re not old enough to drink.” Reveley said the College would work to diminish the number of so-called problem houses in the community, which elicit complaints from neighbors. Plans are underway to create the new Tribe Square mixed-use development near Wawa on Richmond Road. Additionally, the College is exploring sites for the possible construction of a new dorm that could house 200 students. Currently, nearly 75 percent of undergraduate students live on campus, and that number is expected to increase in the future. “I’d love to see it be more than 75 percent,” Reveley said. For now, Reveley suggested Williamsburg residents consult their student neighbors, rather than immediately turn to the city police. “I can’t believe we can’t bring reason to those situations,” he said. Despite some Williamsburg residents’ disagreements with their student neighbors, several attendees Monday night offered high praise for the College’s young men and women. Reveley said that the committee’s work could help foster those positive relationships. Haulman said that for the entire city to benefit, all parties must be involved in the conversations facilitated by the committee. “All five of us have to pull our oars if we are going to make progress,” he said.
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I came to W&M from a wide-open party town and was able to drink in bars at 18 years old, but even with that I often complained that the whole W&M social scene was comprised of the 3 'delis' and frat parties. Compared to my home town, things were so boring here that we made up some pretty funny jokes about 'life' at W&M that you might appreciate. So, I completely understand your frustration.
But help me understand how that leads to students feeling like they have the right to act in a way that wouldn't be acceptable in virtually ANY town, ANY time. Please tell me where you can regularly play loud music at 3 AM during the week without pissing off most of your neighbors? Where?
Heed of your own advice and accept responsiblity for your choices as well. Getting into W&M means you had other options for colleges - MUCH less expen$ive ones if you're out-of-state. Then you could have saved mom-n-dad enough money on tuition to give you a bigger allowance so you could party like a rock star.
But you didn't. You came to W&M and now you're upset because Williamsburg isn't Athens, GA, Morgantown, WV, or College Station, TX. If attending college in a party town was such an important criteria, you would have been well-served to do some research on the issue before you came here. Or, you could always transfer. Morgantown is a blast and it's beautiful this time of year.
You will have some legitimate complaints when you are up on Saturday morning doing the routine maintenance we do to keep up our investment.
In the mean time sleep away - you will one day wake up and realize how mistaken your remarks were when you have the same responsibilitie s.
That's like buying a home in an earthquake zone and then getting surprised and angry when there's an earthquake.
We have no sympathy for these "adults," especially since there are lots of nice walled-in communities nearby where they should have moved. They could stay behind their walls and live the life they wish. Instead, they buy a place next to a college....and then selfishly expect everybody around them to do what they want.
News bulletin for these people: The world doesn't revolve around you. You are not the center of the universe as you would like to think. You made a choice that was bad for you, so take adult responsibility and sell your house and move away if you're unhappy. Don't blame-shift your dopey mistake onto these good kids.
What I do request is that ALL residents of the City respect each other.
I also agree that I'm not fooled either by the student posts, posing as mature adults.(i.e. Save the City posting)
They are so obvious. A mature adult does not view an elderly person in so mean and disrespectful manner.
I'm in my 30's with a family in the City near the college and I respect my elderly neighbors; they are kind to me and my children and respect my family. I am always greeted warmly and I've yet to have to call the police or clean up after their parties. I also have seen my property values go up because they take care of their own houses. What's not to like?
What that means that I hit the right nerve!
Something less than that to the obvious trolls posting on this page. Folks pretending to be adults, but much more likely to be students. Preserving anonymity doesn't mean you have to be duplicitous about it.
I knowingly bought a house near student rentals, but was stunned that in the 20 years since I left W&M, the attitude of students toward neighbors has changed dramatically and their behavior is significantly worse. Had I know that some W&M students acted like elementary school kids I would have never bought here. I assumed the kids were like us when we moved off campus: polite and respectful, had plenty of fun and were loud on occasion, but we didn't leave red Solo cups strewn all over town, didn't throw parties at 1 am on Tuesdays and didn't act like our neighbors didn't exist. We moved off campus to relax and chill in the relative peace and quiet off off-campus housing because the dorms/fraternit y houses were so loud.
It seems to completely the opposite now and kids are moving off campus because the college put the kabosh on parties on campus.
You speak of the entitlement attitude of 'old folks' but the students are much worse in my opinion. Just because you're a W&M student I should have to pick up your cups after a party? Just because you're in college, I should have to listen to crap techno music at 3 AM on Wednesday? You should treat all neighbors with respect all the time, no matter where you live, how old or young they are, or how long anyone else has been there. To do so otherwise suggests that you feel your status as a W&M student entitles you to special treatment. You have no right to disturb neighbors.
I recently got a note from an unknown neighbor with a note pleading for the parties be kept quiet because a loved one just returned from intensive care and they included two candies with the note. They didn't ask to eliminate parties, just keep them quiet. The student's response (at least the ones close to me) was to have a party every night, outside, until at least 1 AM. I guess being a W&M student gives you the right to be a complete a**hole, eh?
I agree with some posts here that I've been BLESSED with some student neighbors, they've been great. Others have been complete idiots and wouldn't be welcome in ANY neighborhood. I agree there are some cranky older residents here - cool ones too - but to stereotype all non-student neighbors as "fuddyduddies" suggests you need to retake a class on diversity.
Until you can demonstrate the ability to clean up red Solo cups you prove your lack of maturity and that you haven't earned our respect and neighborly graces. Welcome to the world, kiddo
We have a B&B and I cringe at the middle of the night noise on the weekends. When the parents are in town for events, they are surprised at how badly the W&M crowd acts. I find myself making excuses - but they are adults just like us old folks - so why are they forgiven?
Sounds like the 'SAVE THE CITY" couple needs to grow up too. Don't they realize that rowdy tenants in rental properties lower their own property values?