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Pro-Gun Rally at Capitol Takes Aim at Firearm Rules

RICHMOND – Hundreds of pro-gun advocates rallied at the Capitol on Monday to ease firearm regulations in Virginia. At the same time, they bemoaned the recent shooting rampage in Arizona.

The rally was organized by the Virginia Citizens Defense League, which supports 23 pro-gun proposals pending before the General Assembly. They include House Bill 1732, which would require Virginia to recognize carry concealed weapons permits issued by other states.

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House Bill 1732, by Delegate Bill Carrico, R-Independence. It would have Virginia recognize concealed weapons permits issued by other states.
HB 2380, by Delegate Brenda Pogge, R-Yorktown. It would grant civil immunity to employers who let employees store their firearms in their private vehicles while parked on company property.
HB 1669, by Delegate Jennifer McClellan, D-Richmond. It would require criminal background checks before people can buy firearms at gun shows.
HB 1813, Delegate Patrick Hope, D-Arlington. It would ban firearms from the Capitol and the General Assembly Building.

Delegate Brenda Pogge, R-Yorktown, spoke at the rally. She is carrying a bill to grant civil immunity to employers who let workers store their firearms in their private vehicles while parked on company property.

Speakers at the rally commented on the Jan. 8 shooting in Tucson, Ariz., where U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was meeting with constituents. A gunman killed six people, including a federal judge, and wounded 12 others, including Giffords.

“What happened in Arizona was despicable,” said Delegate Scott Lingamfelter, R-Woodbridge.

“Whether you agree with politicians with one party or another, when someone is standing there working hard to enjoy and reinforce the First Amendment, nobody has the right to ruin lives like that despicable person.”

Lingamfelter then led a moment of silence for the victims in Arizona, where a 22-year-old Tucson man has been charged with murder and attempted murder.

Phillip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said the Tucson shootings were regrettable. He said the incident might have been avoided if a gun-carrying citizen had been on the scene.

“The truth of the matter is the American citizen is more often than not the first responder in America,” Van Cleave said. “Standing in this crowd, we probably have 200 firearms present … This is one of the safest places in Richmond right now.”

Van Cleave and his organization support several bills that would make it easier to own and carry guns. For instance, Senate Bill 1250, sponsored by Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel, R-Winchester, would prohibit any state agency from enacting gun control without legislative permission.

The General Assembly also is considering several bills that would regulate guns more closely. For instance, HB 1669, sponsored by Delegate Jennifer McClellan, D-Richmond, would require criminal background checks before people can buy firearms at gun shows. (Such checks already are required for gun purchases made at stores.)

Additionally, HB 1600, proposed by Delegate Mamye BaCote, D-Newport News, would allow libraries to ban guns.

Delegate Patrick Hope, D-Arlington, is the chief patron for HB 1813, which would ban firearms from the Capitol and the General Assembly Building. Guns would have to be stored at the door; legislators would be exempt from the law.

Later Monday, advocates for gun control – led by the Virginia Center for Public Safety – also gathered at the Capitol. They held a vigil for the victims of gun violence and commemorated the legacy of the assassinated civil rights leader, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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+3 #16 Guest 2011-01-19 10:06
Kate,

I think the point he was trying to make is that the incident could possibly have been contained sooner if a gun carrying citizen had done exactly what you said, reacted.

In a case like this that reaction can save lives, but in your perfect world only the police, military and criminals are allowed to react, unfortunately that didn't, and doesn't always work out so well.

The fact still remains that no matter how strict the laws become CRIMINALS will always subvert the law and be able to purchase, carry and use firearms.

Laws only affect those willing to abide by them. Obviously someone who goes on a crazed shooting spree has chosen not to abide by the law.

Again let me say and pay close attention because this is very important, laws only affect those willing to abide by them.

Think about that next time you're speeding down the road, there is a law that "prevents" you, but you make a conscious choice to ignore it, you see it as harmless.

Unfortunately some people's ethics find murder just as easy to do as speed. This is why I carry. I will not be someone's victim (at least not without attempting to save myself).


Quoting Kate Chase:
The gun-rights guy said that the murders 'might have been avoided if a gun-carrying citizen had been on the scene'. This is just a shibboleth on the part of the gun-toting people. There were people with guns at the Safeway. One of the news programs (CNN, I think) interviewed one.

What these people seem to forget is that the shooter's is generally gonna get the first opportunity to shoot. And everybody else, armed or not, is going to be reacting.

The VCDL statement is particularly shameful in this case because it's directly false.
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-3 #15 Guest 2011-01-18 21:53
It is interesting that the rally with an opposing point of view is not mentioned at all. I think even the Times-Dispatch covered it.
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0 #14 Guest 2011-01-18 18:12
Quoting Victoria P:
The only reason anyone should carry a gun is in the woods, hunting, with a permit, and only after an extensive background check and safety training. There is absolutely no reason to bring your gun anywhere else except to intimidate others.


I am still surprised at mindless comments like this.
What about law enforcement and security guards? What about the military? What about collectors going to and from gun shows? What about those who compete in shooting leagues? And what about my Constitutional right to own any number of guns I want and to carry openly in Virginia without any permit and to carry concealed with a permit? I have owned guns for years and never intimidated anyone. If I am carrying a gun and I encounter a crime being committed, I certainly expect to intimidate the perpetrator.
You seem comfortable telling all of us what we should do. You should review the second amendment to the US Constitution and then read US history to understand our heritage.
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-5 #13 Guest 2011-01-18 17:08
The only reason anyone should carry a gun is in the woods, hunting, with a permit, and only after an extensive background check and safety training. There is absolutely no reason to bring your gun anywhere else except to intimidate others.
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+2 #12 Guest 2011-01-18 15:34
what the hell is wropng wit you people....OMG forbid we protect ourselves, why does everyone confuse such simple things. You loser Democrates and anti gun people, cant tell me i cant protect myself against some terrible people (like yourselves only worse) ok im suppose to fight like a man against a gang wit illegal machine pistols ok good job. good luck wit that. I DIDNT INVENT CRIME OR GUNS, BUT I WILL HAVE ONE TO PROTECT AGAINST THE OTHER!!! People are responsible for their own actions, if not a gun, base ball bats seem to be pretty popular these days also, you gonna ban base ball bats too? Ignorance thats all anti gun people protest. It doesnt matter how many laws and background checks and regulations you give americans the criminals can get them any ways....for all supporters of having a simple instrument to protect myself and my family against people who have guns off the street follow me on FB. The whole second amendment which i use to belive in? forget it, whats it matter i dont need govent tellin me i can or cannot protect myself. Take the guns, ohhh noooo..haha ill just have something else, knife, whatever. Anythings a weapon, guess we'll have to just cushin the whole world like the asylm....Matty Lo (facebook)
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+5 #11 Guest 2011-01-18 15:02
Quoting Mark T:
Let's see now, would I prefer an establishment where people are carrying guns or one where I could be sure that they were not. I'll take the gun free place any day.


I would prefer a place where there are many more licensed concealed-carry people with guns than criminals with illegally carried guns.
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0 #10 Guest 2011-01-18 11:58
Let's see now, would I prefer an establishment where people are carrying guns or one where I could be sure that they were not. I'll take the gun free place any day.
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+12 #9 Guest 2011-01-18 10:48
The VCDL is not supported by corporations, only individuals. There are no paid members of the organization, only volunteers. They really are "people who just want their guns".

Don't confuse the VCDL with the NRA (which I loathe).
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+4 #8 Guest 2011-01-18 10:47
I came to Washington to visit. I'd traveled all across the United States, openly carrying my firearm in every one of them that allowed it (which was all but two), and got to Washington. I had to leave a firearm in my vehicle, park miles away from DC, and take the subway in. I had a great time, saw more police than I'd ever seen in my life in one place, and on the way home someone tried to rob me in the subway. How many, DC? How many need to die before you give citizens the right to defend themselves again. How many need to be killed before you stop playing god, and start realizing that all you are doing is making the criminals safer, and crime easier. How long do good people have to die because of your arrogance?
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+2 #7 Guest 2011-01-18 10:20
It's a shame that the advocates for gun control didn't get anywhere near equal coverage in this report. If we are ever to learn to work together and find consensus among conflicting viewpoints, then we really do need equal coverage of both points of view.
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