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Pogge Votes for Aquaculture Bill, But It Stalls in Committee

A controversial General Assembly bill that would allow for aquaculture activities on agricultural land was tabled Wednesday after a long committee discussion, though one local representative would rather have seen it come to a vote.

The bill, SB1190, was proposed by Senator Tommy Norment after he was approached by York County Realtor Greg Garrett. Garrett aimed to grow oysters in the water around his Dandy home, but had his special use permit nixed by the planning commission and decided not to bring the application before the board of supervisors. The bill would have allowed him to continue his operation without county approval.

The bill places aquaculture (underwater farming of oysters, crabs, grasses and the like) under the Right to Farm Act, which allows citizens to engage in farming activities on land zoned for agricultural use without first obtaining a special use permit from a locality. York County supervisors opposed the bill, arguing it was intended to circumvent county authority and would effectively tie their hands in the decision-making process. Residents, several supervisors said, would be kept from having their say when neighbors wanted to use their land for farming.

The bill passed the Senate and made its way to the House Agriculture, Chesapeake and Natural Resources Committee, where several citizens both for and against it came to argue their case before legislators, including representatives from York County, the oyster industry and the Farm Bureau. The committee voted 12-5 to table the bill after much discussion, effectively putting it on hold unless one of the 12 on the prevailing side decides to resurrect it.

Delegate Brenda Pogge, who represents parts of James City County, York County and Newport News, was one of the five members of the committee who voted against tabling the measure.

“I can’t take into consideration how a bill originated or for whom, as criteria when I make my decision,” she told WYDaily. “I need to look at what a bill will or won’t do.”

Pogge said as she researched the bill and listened to discussions, she felt that there has been lots of misinformation disseminated about it.

“Is aquaculture agriculture? That's the real question [of the bill] to me. I looked at every angle of this for the past two weeks, and the answer is yes, in my opinion… the authority for aquaculture activities is already implied by the code.”

At the meeting, discussion got bogged down with speculation on what the implications of the bill might be, Pogge said. She didn’t agree with the motion to table the bill, because “it’s a hard decision to make, but we needed to talk about it… this [tabling] was the easy thing to do.”

As for York County’s claim that their authority would be diminished, Pogge didn’t agree. “The argument that counties would lose their jurisdiction is wrong. Zoning is under their purview, and they can add setback and other requirements” under the language of the bill. So, counties could change the agricultural zoning of an area, or could change other requirements as they see fit.

She also pointed out that agricultural operations can be limited if they relate to health, safety and general welfare of residents. “With this, the counties have plenty of leeway,” Pogge said.

York County Attorney James Barnett agreed that the bill “doesn’t rob localities of all flexibility, but it does rob it of some.” He feels that “the SUP process is a very valuable process, and [with it] the county can decide on any particular parcel of land… if a use is a good fit there.”

At the Board of Supervisors meeting earlier in the week, Barnett discussed the issue briefly with the board, and explained that much of the county’s rural residential land (which allows for agricultural use) is too small for a large-scale commercial agricultural use, such as a large farm. This isn’t the case with an aquaculture use under the new bill, which could extend far into the Bay and its tributaries and isn’t limited by land size.

“Our fear is you could find… a rather substantial agricultural operation right in a neighborhood,” Barnett said.

Now that the bill has stalled, the county will have a chance to “rethink, and possibly change zoning, in response to [the bill],” Barnett told WYDaily. “York County will look at the RR district, see what parts have outgrown the need to accommodate commercial agriculture.”

The bill was unexpected, he said, and left the county reeling at what the possible implications could be. “If the bill had become effective [this year], that’s a short time to do a lot of thinking,” he said.

Now that the committee has tabled the bill and recommended that further study be done and the county has time to digest the idea, “I think the county will be content if the bill were to come back next year,” Barnett said. “Maybe once we’ve had a chance to look at it, maybe it won’t be objectionable.”

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+2 #11 Guest 2011-02-22 10:14
Even though political power was behind it the Greg Garrett/Tommy Norment Aquaculture bill SB1190 did NOT pass. Delegates realized Dandy and other affected neighborhoods were not agricultural communities or farmland or uninhabited shoreline. The truth was told that sterile neutered oysters in cages do not reproduce and cannot help the Bay’s decimated oyster reefs. Yes a mature oyster can filter 50 gallons of water a day but commercial operations take them to market at maturity so they are not filtering anything. The bill had too many incidental consequences by allowing unchecked commercializati on of residential zones using the Right to Farm Act as the legal loophole. Conditional permits mandating residential piers were for noncommercial private use only suddenly became unconditional. Did you know that Virginia Beach, Norfolk, Newport News, Hampton, and even Poquoson were immune to the bill? Why? The bill only applied to Counties, not cities as that would have killed it immediately. These truths ruined the bill’s viability and that is why it did not pass.

It also confirms without question this was simply a case of selfish special interest legislation. This from Greg Garrett’s facebook:

“Bureaucracies drive me crazy! 9 days ago the VA Senate passed a bill that created a clarification in the law that would have prevented York County from hassling me over my oyster operation. Yesterday the House of Delegates, while no one seemed to object to the proposed law that would have helped me & others, tabled the proposed law till next year... oh well we're still growing the best tasting oysters in the world!”

The oyster operation he refers to was to be conducted from his house and would have been “one of the largest commercial oyster operations in Virginia waters, including the Chesapeake Bay” according to the VMRC. Greg Garrett lied about opposition to SB1190 when he said “no one seemed to object to the proposed law;” he was at the hearing and saw the line of people wanting to speak in opposition to the bill but time permitted only five of us to testify. Three spoke out in favor, Greg Garrett and two of his commercial oyster cronies. Chairman Morgan even asked for more people to speak who favored the bill and there were none. Just minutes before the Virginia Seafood Organization spoke in support of another aquaculture bill but not this one.

Greg, the truth is simple, it is black and white. You responded “Not my problem” at a Wetlands Board hearing after being asked about your project’s negative impact on your neighbor; further proof of your self-centered, self-interested attitude. Perhaps if you stopped taking everyone around you for fools you might achieve more success with your agendas, selfish and personal as they are. Learn how to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but truth…

Tim McCulloch
118 Sandbox Lane
Yorktown, VA 23692
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+3 #10 Guest 2011-02-21 21:24
kbar, you have hit the nail on the head.

Garrett has used his salesman ability to make people think that the issue is about saving the bay. He has gone to great lengths in the paper, on this radio station and on his Facebook page, to convince unsuspecting people that the big bad government is trying to stop him from saving the Bay. Nothing could be further from the truth. The issue is and has always been one of on shore or landward impact. The operation that Garrett was proposing would be the largest oyster farming operation on the Chesapeake Bay, including operations currently operating in existing commercial waterfront areas. A commercial business of this size does not belong in a residential community where houses are within spitting distance of each other. The on land operations associated with a working oyster business would ruin the lives of neighbors who were unfortunate enough to live next to Greg Garrett. It would lower their property values or make their homes impossible to sell.

Garrett could still have his oyster farm, but he would need to carry, by boat, his catch to an existing commercial dock. There are four with in two miles of his house. One is right next door. If he were truly interested in helping the bay, he would be more then willing to transport his catch to a commercial facility. Unfortunately, his claim to want to save the bay is merely a means to an end. Garrett is no more interested in saving the bay then he is in respecting his neighbors rights to enjoy their waterfront homes without the intrusion of a huge commercial oyster business.
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+6 #9 Guest 2011-02-20 09:01
The oysters in the water/cages are not the issue. I believe the impact comes from the on-shore processing and perhaps from the boat diesels gathering the harvest. Then there are the trucks that have to take the harvest to market.

A fair amount of this could be mitigated if the oyster boats took their catch elsewhere, such as the seafood processing centers in Seaford, or the Small Boat Harbor in Newport News.
A seafood processing center can have an odorous impact on surrounding properties, but not necessarily.

Lastly, what are the disadvantages of the so-called aquaculture? Farming oysters and crabs sound fun, delicious and good for the Bay.
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+5 #8 Guest 2011-02-20 08:55
When waterfront property owners want to build a pier, or a bulkhead for that matter, they go through an application process that involves the vmrc and and the army corps of engineers. There is no fee for this, and the primary point of review for piers is to assure that it does not block navigation. Bulkheads are similarly reviewed for environmental concerns.
All land below mean tide belongs to the state. That is why you never see a no trespassing sign (military bases, etc. excepted) in the open water.

[quote name="JSmith"]D oes the Commonwealth own all the waterways? Then how are homeowners able to build docks and store their boats when the live on the water? - Not being smart...I really don't know -
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0 #7 Guest 2011-02-19 17:38
Taxpayer, you are a genius. ( well, I wouldn't go that far.)

Greg should run for Supervisor in District 3. He has said, in the past, that he could get elected just because of name recognition.
2012 may be the year.
`Garrett for Supervisor'.

The meetings would be hilarious. I bet he and Shelia Noll would get along, swimmingly.

Move over, Mr. Wiggins, drainage in Edgehill is old news. There is a new boss in town! We will make the entire Dandy area into Waterfront Commercial property! Oysters at every dock. Oh Yeah!
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+1 #6 Guest 2011-02-18 13:15
Does the Commonwealth own all the waterways? Then how are homeowners able to build docks and store their boats when the live on the water? - Not being smart...I really don't know -

I do know that York County and Greg Garrett always seem to be at odds. I think they to hug it out :)

Lastly, what are the disadvantages of the so-called aquaculture? Farming oysters and crabs sound fun, delicious and good for the Bay.
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-8 #5 Guest 2011-02-18 10:57
[quote name="kbar"]Nei ther Mr. Garrett nor York County own the area where the oyster farming would occur. As soon as you cross mean low tide, you are on the property of the Commonwealth of Virginia. I really do not have a problem with big bad gubmint regulating what happens on government property.

Look, troll I know you love the BIG governemnt and you feel it is here to help you just like the they brainwashed you in the government school system, but you are wrong as always. Just like the man who has a few acres of land and want to plant corn for his family to eat he can't because of the commerce clause. If he want to grow oysters who is he hurting? You? Oh thats right you are willnot be able to go over their and take some from his hard labor like you do the welfare check you recieve.
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-1 #4 Guest 2011-02-18 09:50
What's wrong with a citizen starting a business that will help clean the Bay??
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+4 #3 Guest 2011-02-18 09:26
Neither Mr. Garrett nor York County own the area where the oyster farming would occur. As soon as you cross mean low tide, you are on the property of the Commonwealth of Virginia. I really do not have a problem with big bad gubmint regulating what happens on government property.

Quoting Taxpayer:
Once again the goernment is telling you what you can not do on your own land or even in the water. They have no idea how benificial it would be for the bay to grow a lot of oysters. All they have to do it just tax it like they tax everything else in the county. They already make you buy a permit and a license and pay tax on your equipment. I say go ahead and farm them oysters, make them take you to court. Bring this injustice out in the open. Better yet Greg just run for supervisor and put the other peole out on the street. Just make sure that you treat them as bad as they have treated you!
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+10 #2 Guest 2011-02-18 09:09
Ms. Pogge concludes that "aquaculture is agriculture"?

Apparently words lose their meaning when the legislature is in session.

Agri- means land. Aqua- means water. (I am not making this up . . . the Romans did). Cultivation in or of the water cannot be the same as cultivation of the land. Two weeks she spent analyzing that?
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